West Slope voters want immigration reform, poll shows

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“Amnesty advocates”—is that fact or opinion?

Who are these “amnesty advocates?” Was that the wording in the Tipton Press release?

Local supporters of comprehensive immigration reform (S.744) should be gratified by recent polling results (“West Slope voters want immigration reform, poll shows”) – even though Congressman Scott (“Tea Party”) Tipton’s real position remains unclear.

On September 5, 2013, Tipton told a Delta “town meeting” that he put “border security” first, opposed any “pathway to citizenship” (even for “Dreamers”), but favored a separate guest-worker program.

Now, Tipton professes support for the original House bill (H.R. 15) which (Gary Harmon reports) purportedly “excludes [some] provisions aimed at increased border security”, but still “firmly believes that . . . verifiable border security and a strengthened guest-worker program are two vital steps”.

While the statement by Tipton’s office makes no mention of a “pathway to citizenship” (the essence of truly “comprehensive” reform), H.R. 15 does include a “DREAM Act”.

Tipton’s “change of heart” (if any) reflects Repugnicans’ belated awareness of internal contradictions in their dubious “conservative” policy positions – already obvious to the public, as reflected in polls blaming them for the “shutdown” and “debt ceiling” crises (costing some $324 billion) and – now – rejecting their obstruction of comprehensive immigration reform (which would save $1+ trillion over the next two decades).

Thus, after first supporting the shutdown and threatened default, Tipton voted to end both – only after calls for his resignation grew louder.  Meanwhile, Republicans’ manic efforts to reopen the government piecemeal exposed “sequestration’s” many harmful effects.

Because Republicans insisted that increased border security was a prerequisite for any “reform”, S.744 added $46.3 billion to double the number of Border Patrol agents, extend the border fence, etc.  H.R. 12 reduces that to $8.3 billion.  However, as Senator Michael Bennet opined, it defies common sense to spend billions on 21’ fences when 22’ ladders abound – particularly when more vital programs remain grossly under-funded.

Does Tipton represent the 75+%?

Hey Gary why do you not report who, when, where etc about the “survey” that you quote. Oh? I know! It doesn’t serve your purpose of slamming Tipton. We know how to fix it——close the damned borders like every other country.

Jerry Sanders’ comment demonstrates how difficult it is to engage in rational discourse with someone totally divorced from the facts – even when they’re written down in front of him.

Sanders first asks Gary Harmon why he didn’t report the who, when, where, etc. of the “survey” he cites.  However, Harmon’s report explicitly stated that the survey was conducted “America’s Voice” (the “who”), on Thursday and Friday (the “when”), in the 3rd Congressional District (the “where’).  Presumably, Patty Kupfer, clearly identified as managing director of “America’s Voice”, a calendar showing October 17-18, and the headline’s “West Slope” also constitute adequate answers to Sanders’ questions.

Curiously, Sanders also interprets Harmon’s report as somehow “slamming Tipton”, when more discerning readers familiar with Harmon’s self-styled role as Tipton’s loyal local mouthpiece recognized Harmon’s two references to “amnesty advocates” for what they were – code words.

In the parlance of the “far right”, any immigration reform that ever allows any immigrant who arrived her illegally to ever earn U.S. citizenship is tantamount to “amnesty”.  In 1986, Reagan’s attempt at immigration reform made some 3 million undocumented immigrants immediately eligible for “legalization”.  Both S.744 and H.R. 15 provide a much longer and windier “pathway to citizenship” that will take at least 13 years to complete (5 years for “Dreamers”) and can’t even begin until border security goals are met to the satisfaction of a yet-to-be-established Southern Border Security Commission.

Thus, because a complicated “pathway” to eventual citizenship is not the same thing as “amnesty”, Harmon’s use of the term marks him as a cheerleader for Tipton, not a critic.

Of course, underlying Tipton’s and Repugnicans’ disdain for a responsibly constructed “pathway to citizenship” (which they disingenuously mischaracterize as “amnesty”) is a cynical practical political calculation: they will win more elections if they prevent the creation of more minority citizens who would likely vote against them, while suppressing the votes of those who already do.

My bad Hugenburg. How in hello you got far right and all your other crapola out of that is beyond me. I will pray for. You need help. Trust me. Nor did I say amnesty. You are indeed warped beyond…....

“As you may know, the House of Representatives is beginning to consider different immigration reform proposals. One option is legislation that would significantly increase border security, block employers from hiring undocumented immigrants, and make sure that undocumented immigrants already in the U.S. with no criminal record register for legal status. If immigrants were to meet a list of requirements, they could eventually apply for citizenship. Knowing this information, would you support or oppose this legislation?”

Almost the exact same thing we were promised in 1986. How many of those promises did they keep?

As Annette Helgelien may not recall, the theory of the 1986 immigration reform act was that illegal immigration would be reduced by criminalizing employers’ hiring of illegals.

However, the act did not require employers to check papers of new hires and the Republican Reagan Administration Justice Department was reluctant to prosecute scofflaw businessmen—who usually voted Republican.

S.744 requires employers to check immigration status and funds a nationwide “e-verify” system to correct the problems of 1986.

Even without “e-verify”, the “pathway to citizenship” contained in both S.744 and H.R. 15 is much so much more daunting and lengthy than the 1986 “legalization” process that it is disingenuous to call the former “amnesty”.

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