Email Letters: August 23, 2017

Money would be in good hands with Haptonstall

The taxpayers’ dollars would be in good hands at District 51 with Dr. Haptonstall leading the spending. As a former employee of Garfield 16, many noticeable capital improvements were made while Dr. Haptonstall was the superintendent. Buildings were constructed, buses were purchased, and the appearance of the exterior grounds was improved. Additionally, the money needed for necessary professional development that supported the mission and vision of the district was secured. As a result, Garfield 16 underwent a transformation that was greatly needed in a small community because the taxpayer’s dollar was carefully managed. The money was used to improve student achievement and the overall well-being of the district.

BRIAN RODDIGER
Clifton

It’s unbelievable that Christians continue to stand with Trump

I agree with Dan Ford’s letters to the editor seen in your newspaper Aug. 22. How anyone who identifies him or herself with Christianity can stand with a president whose every word or deed smacks of anti-Christian immorality leaves me stunned in disbelief.

LEE SPARKS
Grand Junction

Give God the glory for such events as the recent eclipse

I read many articles on the eclipse that happened on Aug. 21, including some in The Daily Sentinel. What I did not see is that anyone gave glory to the God of the universe! Why? These eclipses that occur are not produced by some random chance. No, they are set in motion by the very God that said, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” Genesis Chapter 1, verse 1. The heavens and earth were created with art, order and design in mind, for us to enjoy and have dominion over.

Kepler knew this, so did Galileo. God blessed these men to be able to show us the science behind the Creator’s handiwork, not some cosmic evolutionary accident or happenstance. We use Kepler’s math to determine these things using advanced software today to look into the past and future of the placement of these events. So, give God the glory for such events and open your eyes to the wonders made by the works of thy hands, that is God.

MIKE NEVINS

Grand Junction

‘Conservative’ extremists still seek to rewrite history

Kudos to Dan Ford and Timothy King for exposing – and courageously repudiating – the spurious “religious” underpinnings of contemporary racism. Would that men and women of good conscience (especially Republicans) across our nation embrace their sentiments in response to the ongoing debate over Confederate statuary.

Unfortunately, for some self-anointed evangelical “leaders” (and local apologists), it is apparently not enough that unabashed White Supremacists, cross-burning KKKers, and swastikaed neo-Nazis felt compelled to defend those statues (and the “Confederate flag”) and committed vehicular homicide in Charlottesville. Instead, they continue to embrace the false equivalencies spouted by our “racist-in-chief” and parrot his lame excuses.

For example, in his Sunday letter, Mesa’s Dave Kearsley sophomorically claimed that “It is extremists of any stripe who think that rewriting history is a good thing,” when the statuary itself was part of a seditious campaign to rewrite the history of the Civil War and to obfuscate the sordid history of slavery and the wave of lynchings, church burnings, and Jim Crow apartheid that followed the end of Reconstruction in the defeated South.

Closely related is the myth perpetrated by some that the Civil War was never about slavery at all – but rather about “states rights,” economics, and/or “preserving a way of life.” Thus, after release of the movie “Birth of a Nation” in 1915, the “United Daughters of the Confederacy” sponsored erection of monuments as far north as Helena, Montana (removed last Friday) – insisting that their ancestors had fought nobly for “states’ rights.”

However, the Proclamations of Secession promulgated by each of the Confederate states confirm that their primary reason for rebellion was the imperative to defend and extend slavery in the face of newly-elected Preident Lincoln’s purported intent to abolish it. While white Southern politicians (who became military officers) certainly fought and died for their States’ right to “preserve their way of life” – based as it was on the perverted economics of slavery – most of the ordinary soldiers who died for them were not slave-owners, but “only pawns in thar game.”

In fact, Lincoln was not an abolitionist, avoided the issue of slavery in order to preserve the loyalty of border states, and pursued his Constitutional duty to “preserve the Union” in the face of racist insurrection.

BILL HUGENBERG

Grand Junction

Keep Wagner’s column and You Said It in the paper

Reading my paper today I noticed a letter that attacked two of my faves, so I feel the need to respond. A Martie Edwards wants “You Said It” and Mr. Rick Wagner’s columns removed. I vote no.

Edwards said both were nasty. I don’t agree. Mr. Wagner handles his column just fine.

VIRGINIA RYAN

Grand Junction

Tearing down statues is not going to change history

So, Kitty Nicholason, apparently you don’t know the difference between World War II and the Civil Wear. Judith Chapin was talking about the statues of the Civil War. Hitler wasn’t even born yet. This is history of the United States. The Holocaust Museum in New York has all sorts of Nazi references. Are you against that? That’s World War II history. I’ve been to Germany and found no statues of Hitler. I don’t think one person in this country would approve of a Hitler statue. I, too, feel we should keep our history. Tearing down statues is not going to change history. Chapin did not support or say she supported a Hitler statue at the roundabout in Fruita. Your comments were a little hateful.

JIM SPIEGEL
Grand Junction


COMMENTS

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Mr. Nevins,

Every religion thinks their god is the one responsible for the wonders of the universe. Why should we take your word that it is yours, especially since we have demonstrated, through the process of science, that no gods or other supernatural intervention were necessary?

What did your god do, specifically, that could not have happened through the natural processes that we have observed?

Mr. Iles, Did you see the best video from last night?
An antifa kicked a smoke bomb back @ the cops and they hit him with a perfect crotch shot!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBz98-vFAN8

Why are you so sure it was an antifa, Mr. Meyers? Are they wearing some kind of visible identification now? Or is it just that he was protesting the Nazis so you leaped to a conclusion? You realize that “antifa” is short for “anti-facist”, aren’t you, Mr. Meyers? I would ask you why you aren’t an anti-facist yourself. For a group that drenches themselves in patriotism like the modern conservatives do, they are certainly slow to condemn a group that the United States fought two wars against.
One has to wonder how prevalent the attitudes and opinions that white supremacists and Nazis exemplify are in the modern Republican party.

Actually, one doesn’t really need to wonder at all. Their actions make it quite clear.

Mr.Spiegel, those confederate statues are of treasonous officers in an opposing army of the United States.  The same is true of Hitler although he was not a US citizen so you couldn’t call it treason. Germans might. Both the confederate officers and Hitler are part of US history but none of them should have statues in public spaces celebrating their terrible place in history. There was nothing admirable about the cessation of the Confederate States of America from the US. Contrary to what you may believe it was not an honest disagreement about states rights. It was about the terrible enslavement of human beings who happened to be black and were imported in the US for the specific use as slaves. It was a universal curse throughout the entire US and it had to be stopped and Lincoln realized it and did something about it.

I’m terribly sorry (NOT) to have upset you so over a humorous video.  The protester was identified by numerous people on the scene as Antifa.  This guy is protesting the Phoenix police.  Do you now think the cops are Nazis?
Antifa is a name used by a group of violent anarchists and Nazi is a name they apply to anyone who disagrees with them.  These people do not represent anti-fascism by any ordinary definition.
You have been watching wayyyy too much CNN.

You know, Mr. Meyers, the acceptance by conservatives - tacit or otherwise - of those who embody all that the United States fought two wars to stop does upset me. Mainly because it disgusts me that anyone could be so partisan as to defend Nazis just for the opportunity to take a couple of shots at liberals. But I guess there is no bar low enough for people like you to stoop under if it means a laugh at the expense of others, right?

Wow, Mr. Iles, you really have lost it.  Nobody is defending Nazis. 
Why are you defending people who think beating up people who disagree with you is justified and think nothing of destroying property (see Berkeley campus riot) and preventing people they disagree with from speaking publicly?

Sorry, Mr. Meyers, but when you are condemning the people who are protesting the Nazis, while not saying a word about those Nazis, you are defending them. I don’t feel there is a place in this country for Nazis. You apparently feel differently.

Sorry Mr. Iles, I think there is no place in this country for Anarco-Communists like Antifa.  It’s obvious to me that you have not been following Antifa or you would not be blindly supporting them.
I will not stoop to calling you Antifa even though you are claiming I’m a Nazi.  Name-calling and labeling people when you don’t know what you are talking about is never a good idea.

I didn’t say you were a Nazi. I said you were defending them.

So anti-facists are worse than Nazis to you. Very telling, and exactly in line with what I’ve been saying all along.

You have a good night, though. I doubt I could sleep after defending the likes of Nazis and white supremacists. Probably that liberal morality. It gets so in the way of a good night’s sleep when people I know are having their lives threatened.

ANTIFA ARE NOT ANTI-FACISTS!  I realize that is what the name originally meant in Europe, but they can name themselves anything they want.  I am concerned about their violence.  Read some of their websites and tell me if they are non-violent.  Read some of their signs and tell me they are non-violent. 
Who do you know who has had their life threatened?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-23/activists-seek-peace-through-violence-cnn-quickly-scrubs-title-antifa-puff-peace
I know nothing will get through, but I’ll try anyway.

I’m not saying antifa aren’t violent. I’m saing not all counter-protesters are antifa.

As for who has been threatened, what do Nazis stand for, Mr. Meyers? Do you think they’ve gone all soft and cuddly since WWII? If they had their way they would kill every Jew, gay, atheist, black and a host of other minorities in this country. Their existence is a threat to the life pf anyone who doesn’t fit their definition of white. That you cannot see this, and seriously think the antifa are a bigger threat shows how far down the rabbit hole you are. Turn off Fox and read a history book, for crying out loud. The same ideology that we fought in WWII is now being openly and proudly advocated in this country. There is no moral equivalence between people who toss a few rocks or bottles and people who would slaughter an entire race if given the chance. Trying to make them equally bad is defending Nazism.

Sleep well.

Wow!  Save the drama for yo’ mama!  So now there’s a Nazi on every corner waiting to grab poor little you.  You might better spend your time figuring out what actual threats this country faces.  I’ll give you a hint:  That foolishness CNN puts out day and night goes all over the world so no wonder the little NorK Kim Jong Un thinks he can walk all over us while our country is in chaos.  You want something to worry about—-think about that.

Keep equivocating, Mr. Meyers. That’s exactly what they want you to do. You’re convinced North Korea is really a threat? COnsider the fact that having a missile with the range to reach a target is a lot different than having a missile accurate enough to hit that target. NK is on step one out of about ten that they need to reach before they are a serious threat. But they are useful to Trump to distract the attention from the rubes from what is going on in other places. Not to mention the war on the media that you have obviously swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Don’t worry, Mr. Meyers. Reality will keep chugging along regardless of what you believe or are told. You’re a classic dupe. You’re exactly what they are looking for.

Mr. Meyers, Remember this,”The left has no allegiance to the system. It accepts no laws other than those dictated by it’s ideology.”—Daniel Greenfield.

To understand what you are trying to deal with check out the following links and for more information just google “fabian society”, and remember there are those among us today. They like to throw the word “conservative” around like it is somehow a dirty word and those who are branded by it are not to be tolerated. They are best ignored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

https://fabiansociety.wordpress.com/

Ms. Patton

So Ms. Patton,

What are your feelings on flag-waving Nazis marching in the streets of America? DO you agree with Mr. Meyers that a few violent counter-protesters are just as bad as a regime that killed millions of people, and would do so again if given the chance?

Mr. Iles, I made a comment to Mr. Meyers. I did not address you and am not interested in joining your conversation. Nice try at deflecting the subject of my comment.

Have a good day Mr. Iles.

Ms. Patton

Too bad, Ms. Patton. This is a public forum and I have the right to comment on anything I choose, as do you. I don’t blame you for not wanting to answer my question, however.

Have a nice day.

Mr. Iles, I have no interest in your opinions on anything, however a friend of mine would like to see your answers to his questions.

Under US LAW and the Geneva Conventions, those antifa and BLM thugs, since they are actually BEING PAID, are the legal definition of MERCENARIES committing ACTS OF WAR against the Civilization Population as ARMED ENEMY COMBATANTS NOT IN UNIFORM.

The question before you is.“Do you support these groups?”

“Or do you denounce these groups?”

He is most interested in your response.

Ms. Patton

I asked you first. Answer my question and I’ll answer yours. Or continue to evade it. Your position will be clear either way, and I don’t much care which way you choose.

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