Printed Letters: May 8, 2014

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As Kevin McCarney properly reminds us (“Democrats in nation’s history responsible for acts of racism”), there has been plenty of racism and nativism in our nation’s history to go around.  Democrats were once the most virulent racists – while the “Party of Lincoln” had much to be proud of.

But that was then, and now is now. 

Since Ronald Reagan’s 1980 campaign, the parties’ post-Civil War attitudes regarding minorities have gradually reversed.  Today, the Republican Party attracts unrepentant racists and nativists who may have once affiliated with the Democratic Party, while the targets of racism and anti-immigrant nativism mostly vote Democratic.  Those intended victims of Republicans’ anti-democratic voter suppression policies know full-well who the real racists are today.

Just this week, Florida’s former Republican Governor Charlie Crist (now a Democrat) affirmed that racism drove him from the GOP.  “I was a Republican, and I saw the activists and what they were doing; it was intolerable to me.”

Crist also aptly noted that Republicans are “perceived now as being anti-women, anti-immigrant, anti-minority, anti-gay, anti-education, anti-environment”.  Meanwhile, I referred only to “like-minded local Tea Partiers” – not necessarily all of them.

Thus, while it is reassuring to learn that the local “Tea Party” is not organizationally racist, McCarney – by refusing to recognize the obvious – remains in a willful state of denial, and/or is apparently unfamiliar with the racist content of on-line anti-Obama comments and/or conveniently blind to the signage often seen at “Tea Party” events. 

Nevertheless, an overlay of maps depicting opposition to “ObamaCare”, support for voter suppression, average education levels, rural poverty, the “Old South”, and Republican-controlled “red states” suggests that President Obama’s elections re-ignited latent racism.

As Bob Dylan wrote in 1965, “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”.  So, Kevin, if the shoe fits, wear it.

Mr. Hugenberg,
It is great to see you understand that the local Tea Parties in this town are not racist. However, your race baiting and stirring the pot about race is what progressives do to foment hatred toward their intended targets. Nice.

There are people that hate racially; they are present in every endeavor, including the Democratic Party. It doesn’t stop with one race or another; it’s about the color that they aren’t. Even our President has had his moments, accusing police officer James Crowley of racist motivation by asking for ID from a black man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy
His portrayal of Zimmerman, and his judgment of guilty, even after the verdict;
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/23/president-obama-take-on-race/
To believe that racism in the Democratic Party has left, in nonsense, just open your eyes, let your ears hear the comments, let your intellect decide the real truth. Racism is never gone, it is just hidden. Blacks are disliked by some, but some blacks are also racists. Don’t you understand that? The thing in your argument and in most arguments like yours is that you only include the people YOU don’t like in your stunning revelations. Does that include the blacks in the Tea Party? Are YOU racist sir?

It is important for you to understand, the Tea Party cannot control the mindset of everyone, indeed, the Democratic Party cannot control the racism inside their party either. For you to say the majority of people in the Tea Party movement are racist is nonsense. The criticism of our President is deemed racist by those who can’t see the lies he has told, the cover-ups he has done without playing the race card. It is the easy way to explain every situation.
For you to say that the Tea Party movement is racist is not just wrong, it is an outright lie. Our President is a mixture of races, if he were also a woman; I suppose any criticism would also then be sexist. Geesh, quit spinning Bill, your making my hat go crazy.

Tim:

Thanks for joining the discussion once again.

However, your predictable response is typical of those who accuse others of “race baiting” when called out and confronted with evidence of their own associates’ prejudices.

Perhaps I didn’t make myself perfectly clear:  not all Tea Partiers are racists; not all Democrats are immune from such prejudice.

However, the intended targets of racism have been voting with their feet and the apparent confluence of Republican governance and anti-minority racist policies (whether racist or nativist) is increasingly well-documented.

Thus, merely stating the obvious in response to the Sentinel’s equivocating editorial is not “race baiting”.  “Stirring” an already simmering “pot” can actually have a cooling effect by encouraging honest discussion.

Likewise, contrary to your misrepresentation of what I wrote, I did not “say that the Tea Party movement is [entirely] racist”—only that some “like-minded” Tea Partiers were.

On the other hand, you cannot deny that the Tea Party has obviously attracted adherents of that ilk—or you are being willfully oblivious to some of their reactions to President Obama’s election and reelection.

Meanwhile, I’m both pleased and gratified to learn that my letters are “making your hat go crazy”.  That is a symptom of the “cognitive dissonance” my fact-based “spinning” is fully intended to incite in fact-free bubbleheads.

Bill

Bill,
Thanks for your furthering my suspicions about the name calling you are so use to doing in this paper. So, now I am a “bubblehead”, I gues it’s better than trying to get people to believe things by spinning the truth into such contortions that it is hard to tell north from south, (no pun intended from the original premise of the message from McCarney). Your implication that the Tea Party is filled with racists is hard to deny, yet you seem intent on distorting your own words to persuade others that your spin is correct, but, alas it is not. Keep spinning Bill, your President needs help!

Tim:

Once again, you seem inclined to deliberately distort and misrepresent what I wrote.  Thus:

First, I didn’t call you a “bubblehead”, but fact-free bubbleheads do abound and are the usual responders (albeit totally devoid of any factual content)to my fact-based letters.

On the other hand, if you take offense at being associated with those folks, then all I can say is:  if the shoe fits, just wear it.

Second, if you are insisting that neither the Tea Party movement nor Republican policies are entirely free of racist taint and/or intent, then you are indeed a “bubblehead”.

Keep that hat spinning—it seems to be good for you!!

Bill

Bill,
You seem to be skipping lines when I write things, slow down and read the words. Stop drinking the kool aid and try a nice cup of tea. It may bring you back to your senses and slow your metabolism down to a reasonable level. Re read what I wrote. If you would stop spinning, my hat would stop revolving, I’m sure.

Bill: Dude… Donald Sterling was only three weeks ago, even though the evidence of racism goes further back. Seems the Dems turn a blind eye when there’s millions involved.

Robert Byrd served in the Senate until 2010. Give me a break with your insistence of the Republicans being racist. I you look at the list of Race Baiters, and people furthering the racial divide in this Country, they are almost all Democrats.

The post Civil War attitude of the Democrats has never changed.
Divide the Country by Race by insisting that the Minority population can only get ahead with help from the Government.

Conservatives believe that everyone has the potential for success. All they need is the motivation and hard work to achieve it.  We believe in the hand up, the inspiration and mentoring necessary for success. You believe in the hand out and enslavement to the Government.

Donald Sterling was the subject of the Sentinel’s editorial.  I addressed a broader phenomenon – suggesting that Supreme Court rulings have given license to the racists among us (regardless of party label – but mostly Tea Party rabble).

Your historical references notwithstanding, the evidence is rapidly accumulating that the Republicans and their Tea Party brethren have become the racist Southern Democrats of yesteryear.  Charlie Crists’ observations capture the true reality of the present moment.

“Conservatives” only say they “believe that everyone has the potential for success”, but their actions speak louder than their rhetoric – enacting policies that favor only some, rather than promote the common good.  “Conservative” still say they are fiscally responsible, but Republican policies account for the bulk of our National Debt – and consider the financial downgrades of New Jersey, Kansas, and maybe Missouri.

Democrats believe that “everyone has the potential for success”, but occasionally need help from government – including equal protections under the law, unemployment insurance, a minimum living wage, and a robust economy.  “Conservatives” say they favor a robust economy, but oppose every proven fiscal policy known to promote it.

“Conservatives’ insist that “all they [minorities] need is the motivation and hard work to achieve it”, but then pursue policies that demotivate those at the margin and destroy jobs.  In fact, “conservatives” respond to racism, rape, poverty, and unemployment the same way – blame it on the victim.

Contemporary “conservative” policies prove that your tired mantra is a fraud.  “They [individuals and/or individual private sector enterprises] didn’t build that” [the highways, bridges, airports, and the internet] upon which their success depends.  Government did – which is precisely what the Preamble to our collectivist Constitution anticipated.

What “conservatives” really seek to “conserve” is naked political power.  What they do with that power is to redistribute even more wealth to those who don’t need it and away from those who do.  “Conservatives” subsidize “welfare cowboys”, millionaire farmers, and the oil & gas industry – none of whom need it..

While you say you “believe in the hand up”, your ilk opposes any programs that cost money to reach out that hand to minorities.  While you say you “believe in the inspiration and mentoring necessary for success”, your ilk opposes any programs that would deliver job training to urban areas (where minorities live).

“Conservatives” claim to be concerned about “poverty”, but oppose the very programs that have proven most effective at alleviating it – branding them as “handouts”.

To claim that I believe in “enslavement to the government” merely proves that you are a slave to a false ideology that continues to harm this country more than any enemy could.

Mr. Hugenberg,
I really want to thank you for your comment, it is now a matter of public record.

You say, “Conservatives” only say they “believe that everyone has the potential for success”, but their actions speak louder than their rhetoric –.”

Please, success is the very basis for our fantastic performance as a world leader, it is the American way of life. It is the very reason we have an immigration problem. If you work hard, harder, smarter, longer than others, you will succeed, whether it is in your own business or as an employee.

You say, “Democrats believe that “everyone has the potential for success”, but occasionally need help from government – including equal protections under the law, unemployment insurance, a minimum living wage, and a robust economy”

That may be a fact of life that everyone needs a hand up, but Mr. Hugenberg, when the hand up goes on for a lifetime, it isn’t a hand up, it’s a handout.

You say, ““Conservatives’ insist that “all they [minorities] need is the motivation and hard work to achieve it”, but then pursue policies that demotivate those at the margin and destroy jobs. In fact,
“conservatives” respond to racism, rape, poverty, and unemployment th same way – blame it on the victim.”

It wasn’t the Conservatives in Denver and Washington that blamed rape victims, it was the Democrats. They not only blamed them, they shamed them. If you don’t remember, I’ll find and forward the links.

Your interpretation and spin on what obama said about “You didn’t build that” is quite a spin, of course they built it. Do you think that people that are being paid from taxes alone built it? What if there were no funding from private sources to pay taxes, then who would build it? It is the private sector that built everything we enjoy.

You say, “What “conservatives” really seek to “conserve” is naked political power”. etc.”. The truth is, that true conservatives disdain the wealth derived from any and all political maneuvering, they truly believe in wealth derived from hard work, invention, sacrifice and a duty to mankind with a large dose of the 10 commandments and the Golden Rule.

You say, “you “believe in the hand up”, your ilk opposes any
programs that cost money to reach out that hand to minorities.”

True Conservatives believe in helping minorities to achieve beyond their wildest dreams, they are willing to provide assistance to do just that, but, NOT FOREVER.

Part one. please continue with part two due to limit on words.

Part two, blame it on the word limit and Hugenberg’s unlimited spiel.

You sir, have called me and my friends, my Tea Party affiliations, names that are unacceptable, your entire spiel is one to divide, diminish and cast dispersions on anything YOU oppose. I sir, am not a “bubblehead”, I am not a “racist”. Yet you prefer to continue to call me and my affiliates those names without proper proof.

SHAME ON YOU MR. HUGENBERG.

I object to your accusations, and I call on you to withhold calling me and my friends such names.

I will in the future, post a link to these comments rather than argue with you again. You are a divider, a political antagonist, and would rather split America for your political gain, than try to unite us for the future that your president has set the stage for. You are not interested in arguing the points, you are intent on seperationism, antagonism, and upheaval of our Republic.

Now I truly know who you are.

I think this video on this site says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqh2OfsIHQ
The debate is over.



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